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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/18/2017 :  4:48:06 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone have a 197 SF with a Minn Kota trolling motor mounted to it? I recently purchased the Minn Kota Ulterra and am curious if it is going to work. I was not aware the Ulterra can't utilize the quick release bracket. I don't want to open the box and try to mock it up because if I need to sell it, I still want it to be new in box. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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marsh wabbit
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  08:57:28 AM  Show Profile Send marsh wabbit a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You should check the Pioneer Owners website. There are some 197's with TM and someone has designed a alum. plate for mounting.

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Citadel1999
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  09:24:35 AM  Show Profile Send Citadel1999 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What do you mean it can't utilize the quick release bracket? I just bought the new Ulterra myself and mine is setup on the quick release bracket. Although, I did have to upgrade to the newer style quick release bracket.

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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  10:14:51 AM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by marsh wabbit

You should check the Pioneer Owners website. There are some 197's with TM and someone has designed a alum. plate for mounting.

Gene Morrison
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I've been on that site and know which bracket you're referring to. That was utilizing the quick release bracket. The Ulterra stated on the box, it is not compatible with that bracket

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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  10:16:38 AM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Citadel1999

What do you mean it can't utilize the quick release bracket? I just bought the new Ulterra myself and mine is setup on the quick release bracket. Although, I did have to upgrade to the newer style quick release bracket.

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The box states it is "not compatible with quick release bracket"

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Citadel1999
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  3:15:01 PM  Show Profile Send Citadel1999 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's interesting. Is yours the 72" one? The Minn Kota website has a compatability chart with all their motors and quick release brackets. They have the Ulterra listed for several different ones.

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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/19/2017 :  6:26:21 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, mine is the 72".

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chris V
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  11:58:58 AM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
do not use 72" 112# with any of minn kotas quick release brackets.
the added length increases the torque on the mount, and the brackets cant handle the load.

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chris V
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  12:01:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
we have mounted 72" motors on quite a few boats, and yes, some require a mounting plate like the one in this picture, just not with the quick release



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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  12:01:25 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's no good. I was on Minn Kotas web page for compatibility and recommended brackets. They make a quick release that is recovered for the 72". The RTA-54 model is what they recommend

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chris V
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  12:19:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
THAT APPEARS TO BE A NEW PRODUCT I WAS UNAWARE OF.
MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH OUR REP AT MINN KOTA, I WAS TOLD NO QUICK RELEASE FOR THE 72/112. THAT APPEARS TO HAVE CHANGED.
I WILL REACH OUT TO HIM AND CONFIRM.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT WILL MAKE LIFE MUCH EASIER ON EVERYONE.

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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  1:17:24 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chris V

THAT APPEARS TO BE A NEW PRODUCT I WAS UNAWARE OF.
MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH OUR REP AT MINN KOTA, I WAS TOLD NO QUICK RELEASE FOR THE 72/112. THAT APPEARS TO HAVE CHANGED.
I WILL REACH OUT TO HIM AND CONFIRM.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT WILL MAKE LIFE MUCH EASIER ON EVERYONE.

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Awesome. I'm hoping that is the case. I was looking to buy that mount so I can pull the TM off while boat cover is on.

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RDW
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  3:44:44 PM  Show Profile Send RDW a Private Message  Reply with Quote
PM "Oneal" on this site.
Not sure what model of TM he has, but he has a quick release bracket on his 197SF.
He may be able to give you some help or advise.

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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/20/2017 :  3:47:51 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RDW

PM "Oneal" on this site.
Not sure what model of TM he has, but he has a quick release bracket on his 197SF.
He may be able to give you some help or advise.

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Thanks bud, I'll do that

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chris V
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Posted - 05/22/2017 :  12:00:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I stand corrected and properly informed
I heard from my guy at Minn Kota, and the RTA-54 is indeed the approved quick release for the 112# 72" ulterra

"Yes, sir. That is the recommend quick release bracket for the RT Ulterra 72 motor.



Best regards,

**** ******

Authorized Service Network Coordinator

Minn Kota & Cannon

Johnson Outdoors Marine Electronics, Inc.

A Subsidiary of Johnson Outdoors Inc."




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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/22/2017 :  12:02:06 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you Chris. I actually sold the Ulterra and bought the Terrova with 72". I'm assuming the same bracket needs to be used?

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chris V
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Posted - 05/23/2017 :  4:54:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it should be, but I sent an email to my guy and he is out of the office until friday

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wcarlis
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Posted - 05/24/2017 :  5:07:31 PM  Show Profile Send wcarlis a Private Message  Reply with Quote


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wcarlis
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Posted - 05/24/2017 :  5:46:48 PM  Show Profile Send wcarlis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The above pictured bracket is for Ulterra 60" on Pioneer 197.
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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/24/2017 :  8:04:25 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wcarlis

The above pictured bracket is for Ulterra 60" on Pioneer 197.



Where did you get the specs on that bracket? I emailed the guy on Pioneerowners forum but no response

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wcarlis
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Posted - 05/25/2017 :  10:28:20 AM  Show Profile Send wcarlis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can forward it to you if you want to PM your email address to me. I built one according to his specs and mounted it on my boat, only to discover that the Ulterra would hit the hull of my boat when stowing itself. So...the bracket pictured above is a modified version that sticks further out than the Pioneerowner guy's. I had to use trial and error and build another one out of wood just to confirm that the Ulterra would clear before building another one out of aluminum. Expensive project altogether. You could take a look at both and decide which will work better for you. If you have a 72" you might consider making a plate that gives some more support around the puck (instead of just having the puck stick out on its own like mine). ChrisV's bracket would accomplish this to some extent as there is a margin of bracket around the puck that provides some support to the bottom of the bracket that hooks into the puck. You could build one like mine that also has a margin, and make it out of 5/8" aluminum (mine is 1/2") and use heavier hardware and probably not bounce your $1,600 toy off into the harbor.
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Firefighterj80
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Posted - 05/25/2017 :  3:53:29 PM  Show Profile Send Firefighterj80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have sold the Ulterra due to the size of the mount. I bought the Terrova 72" 36v 112#. My email is FirefighterJ80@gmail.com if you wouldn't mind sending me the specs on that bracket. Thank you. Also, where did you mount your batteries? Will 3 group 31s go in the center console? I didn't want to have to worry about the added weight causing cracks in the floor of it.

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