Covid Round 2


Anybody worried about this, or having it affect their lives any more than it has already? The fear mongering is starting up yet again. I can't see another round of shutdowns over a virus we now know the death rate of. It's not going away any time soon and neither has the flu, vaccine or no vaccine. I would be a little more concerned/careful if I was elderly, but I'm not going to stop living my life anymore. I'll wear a face covering so people feel good in public, but those don't help squat. Just wash your hands! I'm just getting so sick of all of this... I'm interested in what you all think about it all.


B.O.A.T. Bust Out Another Thousand!

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There's not going to be but one thing to fix all this mess. I believe that sman said it best in three words.
PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!!!
Every one of our congressman and senators need to be dragged out tared and feathered. Replaced by a true a working person.
Someone who has had to scrape their change up to get gas to go to work.
Someone who has had to put their thumb out to get to work because they could not afford parts to fix their truck.
Someone who works 70-80 hours a week to keep a roof over their families head.
someone who has had to go into work with broken bones/ sick because they could not afford to miss a day's pay.
Been there done that have that t-shirt. And (**() proud of it.

And there's a whole hell of a lot of people out there that have earned that t-shirt also.

We need to stand up and take this country back.


I am fragile.


Not like a flower.
But like a bomb.

22 life's a dayOriginally posted by Off the chain


You nailed it brother!

Was watching a vid of Marcus and Morgan Lutrell with my son earlier and their opinion was clean house, term limits, and require previous military Service for Congress.

BTW, they have spent time in DC. Got to know some folk's and said if $100,000,000 was dropped on sidewalk, it's just Bill dust.



NN
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It's not a vaccine just like the flu shot is not a vaccine, it's a shot. One that you must take annually for it to work, and to enrich big pharma.

Everything that's being done is based on the PCR test. The WHO has finally admitted that the PCR test isn't valid and that it produces a high rate of false positives.


The PCR test, what’s considered the “gold standard” of SARS-Cov-2 tests, results in false positives — this is what the World Health Organization (finally) admits in their December 14 report. According to the report:

“The design principle of RT-PCR means that for patients with high levels of circulating virus (viral load), relatively few cycles will be needed to detect virus and so the Ct value will be low. Conversely, when specimens return a high Ct value, it means that many cycles were required to detect virus. In some circumstances, the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain.”

That PCR tests have exceptionally high false result rates is something that experts have already been warning the public of, even in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic. The higher the cycle threshold (CT), i.e., the number of amplification cycles used to detect RNA particles, the greater the chances of a false positive. Yet the CDC still recommends running PCR tests at a CT of 40 — even though anything over 35 should be deemed scientifically unjustifiable.

So why is WHO now pointing out this glaring flaw of the PCR test?

A commentary posted on ZeroHedge explains why: It’s simply to back up the claim that the COVID-19 vaccine “works.”

Once everyone has received the vaccination, per the new WHO guidelines, PCR tests will run only 25 to 30 cycles instead of more than 35. The cases of false positives will significantly drop, giving the illusion that the vaccine is working. The article notes:

“After months of flooding the data pool with false positives, miscounting deaths ‘by accident,” adding ‘COVD-19 related death’ to every other death certificate … they can stop. The create-a-pandemic machine can be turned down to zero again.

… [A]s long as we all do as we’re told. Any signs of dissent – masses of people refusing the vaccine, for example – and the CT value can start to climb again, and they bring back their magical disease.”

Sources:

Zero Hedge, December 20, 2020

WHO, December 14, 2020


Pioneer 197SF


Pioneer 197SF
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The true definition of a false positive is when there is no form of the virus detected. The higher PCR amplification can result in detecting dead viruses, and very small viral loads... This means the person previously had Covid (asymptomatic or symptomatic), but doesn't anymore... Therefore, the positive test result really does mean it was another legitimate case, but the person had it previously...

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/11/pcr-test-result

"We define a false positive as a test result that incorrectly indicates that a particular condition or attribute is present. By that definition, no, your test was almost certainly not a false positive. The PCR test used by MIT, like other PCR tests, is very unlikely to return a false positive. If the test comes back positive, we can be sure that it has correctly detected genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes COVID-19.

But might PCR tests be too good at finding traces of the virus? That’s a question scientists are starting to investigate.

The PCR test analyzes samples by amplifying viral RNA in cycles. Most tests, like the Broad Institute test used by MIT, use a 40-cycle protocol. If the virus isn’t detected within 40 amplification cycles, the test result is negative. If viral RNA is detected in 40 cycles or less, the PCR machine stops running, and the test is positive. Because you received a positive result, we know that the test detected the virus in your sample by the time it reached its 40-cycle limit."


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If we want to falsely presume the cases are way over blown, then we must accept the death rate is way to low as well, since the death rate is easily determinable as it is "symptomatic" cases of covid... Simple math...


RBF


No, many military choose not to vote because they are too lazy to.
Originally posted by Fred67

The true definition of a false positive is when there is no form of the virus detected. The higher PCR amplification can result in detecting dead viruses, and very small viral loads... This means the person previously had Covid (asymptomatic or symptomatic), but doesn't anymore... Therefore, the positive test result really does mean it was another legitimate case, but the person had it previously...

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/11/pcr-test-result

"We define a false positive as a test result that incorrectly indicates that a particular condition or attribute is present. By that definition, no, your test was almost certainly not a false positive. The PCR test used by MIT, like other PCR tests, is very unlikely to return a false positive. If the test comes back positive, we can be sure that it has correctly detected genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes COVID-19.

But might PCR tests be too good at finding traces of the virus? That’s a question scientists are starting to investigate.

The PCR test analyzes samples by amplifying viral RNA in cycles. Most tests, like the Broad Institute test used by MIT, use a 40-cycle protocol. If the virus isn’t detected within 40 amplification cycles, the test result is negative. If viral RNA is detected in 40 cycles or less, the PCR machine stops running, and the test is positive. Because you received a positive result, we know that the test detected the virus in your sample by the time it reached its 40-cycle limit."


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Not completely correct.

The PCR test will detect any SARS type virus particles, including dead ones. There are many SARS type viruses that are not COVID. That means that there are many people being told they are positive for COVID that have never had that strain.

That is what's been stated by experts in the medical community and was clearly stated months ago by the person that invented the test. He stated that the test was not accurate to detect COVID.


Pioneer 197SF

Not completely correct.

The PCR test will detect any SARS type virus particles, including dead ones. There are many SARS type viruses that are not COVID. That means that there are many people being told they are positive for COVID that have never had that strain.

That is what's been stated by experts in the medical community and was clearly stated months ago by the person that invented the test. He stated that the test was not accurate to detect COVID.


Pioneer 197SFOriginally posted by Blueskyguy


Incorrect, the tests target the SARS-CoV-2 virus which is Covid-19...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/animals/animal-testing.html#:~:text=The%20scientific%20name%20of%20the,%2DCoV%2D2.

Note: The scientific name of the new strain of coronavirus is SARS-CoV-2. In people, the disease caused by the virus is called Coronavirus Disease 2019, also known as COVID-19. Because we are addressing the virus itself in the context of animal health, we refer to it as SARS-CoV-2.

Here is the testing statement from above:

"If the test comes back positive, we can be sure that it has correctly detected genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes COVID-19."




RBF


No, many military choose not to vote because they are too lazy to.
Originally posted by Fred67
Last edited by Richard Beer Froth
So what happened to the Flu this year?

Hype, Hype, and more Hype on the wuhan bug.

Not completely correct.

The PCR test will detect any SARS type virus particles, including dead ones. There are many SARS type viruses that are not COVID. That means that there are many people being told they are positive for COVID that have never had that strain.

That is what's been stated by experts in the medical community and was clearly stated months ago by the person that invented the test. He stated that the test was not accurate to detect COVID.


Pioneer 197SFOriginally posted by Blueskyguy


Incorrect, the tests target the SARS-CoV-2 virus which is Covid-19...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/animals/animal-testing.html#:~:text=The%20scientific%20name%20of%20the,%2DCoV%2D2.

Note: The scientific name of the new strain of coronavirus is SARS-CoV-2. In people, the disease caused by the virus is called Coronavirus Disease 2019, also known as COVID-19. Because we are addressing the virus itself in the context of animal health, we refer to it as SARS-CoV-2.

Here is the testing statement from above:

"If the test comes back positive, we can be sure that it has correctly detected genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes COVID-19."


Originally posted by Fred67
Originally posted by Richard Beer Froth


Here is a full report. What you have said is absolutely incorrect. The WHO stated that the test will results in a high degree of false positives in their December 14 report.

For those that don't want to read the report here are a few quotes.

- The test does not target Covid, it targets coronavirus particles, that includes the common cold.
- "the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, repeatedly yet unsuccessfully stressed that this test should not be used as a diagnostic tool for the simple reason that it's incapable of diagnosing disease. A positive test does not actually mean that an active infection is present. As noted in a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention publication on coronavirus and PCR testing dated July 13 2020."
- The, "PCR tests have proven remarkably unreliable with high false result rates, and aren't designed to be used as a diagnostic tool in the first place as they cannot distinguish between inactive viruses and "live" or reproductive ones."
- "An "infection" is when a virus penetrates into a cell and replicates. As the virus multiplies, symptoms set in. A person is only infectious if the virus is actually replicating. As long as the virus is inactive and not replicating, it's completely harmless both to the host and others."
- "if you have no symptoms, a positive test simply means it has detected inactive viral DNA in your body. This would also mean that you are not contagious and pose no risk to anyone."
- "The test's threshold is so high that it detects people with the live virus as well as those with a few genetic fragments left over from a past infection that no longer poses a risk. It's like finding a hair in a room after a person left it, says Michael Mina, MD, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health."
- "the CDC's own calculations show it's extremely unlikely to detect live viruses in samples that have gone through more than 33 cycles, and research10 published in April 2020 concluded patients with positive PCR tests that had a cycle threshold above 33 were not contagious and could safely be discharged from the hospital or home isolation."
- "Importantly, when officials at the New York state laboratory, the Wadsworth Center, reanalyzed testing data at The Times' request, they found that changing the threshold from 40 cycles to 35 cycles eliminated about 43% of the positive results. Limiting it to 30 cycles eliminated a whopping 63%."
- Phizer, "Dr. Mike Yeadon, former vice president and scientific director of Pfizer, has even gone on record stating1 that false positive results from unreliable PCR tests are being used to "manufacture a 'second wave' based on 'new cases,'" when in fact a second wave is highly unlikely."

and finally
- "For all of these reasons, a number of highly respected scientists around the world are now saying that what we have is not a COVID-19 pandemic but a PCR test pandemic. In his September 20, 2020, article "Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics — The Deadly Danger of False Positives," Yeadon explains why basing our pandemic response on positive PCR tests is so problematic."

What puzzles me is if this was so dangerous why isn't the hospitalization rate in SC changing? It's been between 70-75% since June. If we're having 2,000 +/- cases identified each day, and if just 1% were serious then the hospitals would be overwhelmed.

Something doesn't make sense. That something is that the PCR test results in a high percentage of false positives.


Pioneer 197SF
Here's a more reliable covid test.....


Home Covid Test:

1. Open a can of beer and try to smell it.
2. If you can smell the beer, drink it to see if you can taste it.
3. If you can smell it and taste it, this confirms that you don't have the Covid.

Last night, I did the test 19 times and all were negative. Tonight, I am going to do the test again because this morning I woke up with a headache and I feel like I'm coming down with something.

I am so nervous.

Not my story but it sounds like good medical advice.
Yep I'm with you on that.
But you know these CF Doctors are going to dispute your science.


I am fragile.
Not like a flower.
But like a bomb.

22 life's a day

Here is a full report. What you have said is absolutely incorrect. The WHO stated that the test will results in a high degree of false positives in their December 14 report.

For those that don't want to read the report here are a few quotes.

- The test does not target Covid, it targets coronavirus particles, that includes the common cold.
- "the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, repeatedly yet unsuccessfully stressed that this test should not be used as a diagnostic tool for the simple reason that it's incapable of diagnosing disease. A positive test does not actually mean that an active infection is present. As noted in a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention publication on coronavirus and PCR testing dated July 13 2020."
- The, "PCR tests have proven remarkably unreliable with high false result rates, and aren't designed to be used as a diagnostic tool in the first place as they cannot distinguish between inactive viruses and "live" or reproductive ones."
- "An "infection" is when a virus penetrates into a cell and replicates. As the virus multiplies, symptoms set in. A person is only infectious if the virus is actually replicating. As long as the virus is inactive and not replicating, it's completely harmless both to the host and others."
- "if you have no symptoms, a positive test simply means it has detected inactive viral DNA in your body. This would also mean that you are not contagious and pose no risk to anyone."
- "The test's threshold is so high that it detects people with the live virus as well as those with a few genetic fragments left over from a past infection that no longer poses a risk. It's like finding a hair in a room after a person left it, says Michael Mina, MD, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health."
- "the CDC's own calculations show it's extremely unlikely to detect live viruses in samples that have gone through more than 33 cycles, and research10 published in April 2020 concluded patients with positive PCR tests that had a cycle threshold above 33 were not contagious and could safely be discharged from the hospital or home isolation."
- "Importantly, when officials at the New York state laboratory, the Wadsworth Center, reanalyzed testing data at The Times' request, they found that changing the threshold from 40 cycles to 35 cycles eliminated about 43% of the positive results. Limiting it to 30 cycles eliminated a whopping 63%."
- Phizer, "Dr. Mike Yeadon, former vice president and scientific director of Pfizer, has even gone on record stating1 that false positive results from unreliable PCR tests are being used to "manufacture a 'second wave' based on 'new cases,'" when in fact a second wave is highly unlikely."

and finally
- "For all of these reasons, a number of highly respected scientists around the world are now saying that what we have is not a COVID-19 pandemic but a PCR test pandemic. In his September 20, 2020, article "Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics — The Deadly Danger of False Positives," Yeadon explains why basing our pandemic response on positive PCR tests is so problematic."

What puzzles me is if this was so dangerous why isn't the hospitalization rate in SC changing? It's been between 70-75% since June. If we're having 2,000 +/- cases identified each day, and if just 1% were serious then the hospitals would be overwhelmed.

Something doesn't make sense. That something is that the PCR test results in a high percentage of false positives.


Pioneer 197SFOriginally posted by Blueskyguy


First, Zero Hedge is a bias publication that has lost most credibility from when they began:

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-zero-hedge-finance-blog-that-spread-coronavirus-misinformation-2020-2?amp

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ZeroHedge.com_.pdf

https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1nl1220xpsxpv/Why-Did-Financial-Flamethrower-Zero-Hedge-Go-All-in-on-Conspiracy-Theories

"Zero Hedge now publishes dozens of articles each day, ranging from financial analysis to, increasingly, conspiracy theories, most of which are authored by “Tyler Durden.” "


https://www.businessinsider.com/author/tyler-durden

"Tyler Durden is a reference to the lead character in Fight Club. It's the pseudonym for Zero Hedge's key author(s) used to hide their identities."


Guess who the author of the article you are sourcing, yep, fake Tyler Durden:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives


Here is the "memo" directly from WHO, and it doesn't state anything close to what Zero Hedge is claiming:

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users


Here are the facts on the Kary Mullis claim which are fake as well:

https://www.thejournal.ie/kary-mullis-pcr-testing-factcheck-debunk-hse-5271830-Nov2020/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr-idUSKBN24420X


Essentially, you got duped and all the information you are citing is junk...


Again, my claims still stand and they are simply that even if the viral load is dead it only proves that the person had the virus at some point in the recent past... They aren't contagious anymore, but it should still be counted as a legitimate positive case since they had it at some point previously... Therefore, the results aren't a false positive as the person has/had the virus whether it is dead or alive...




RBF


No, many military choose not to vote because they are too lazy to.
Originally posted by Fred67
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