JI/Folly Oyster Flats


Got me a fancy pedal drive kayak which has inspired me to post here once again. I’ve been hitting the oyster flats in between ji and folly and have only managed to scrounge up a small trout and a rat red. I’ve only really fished the bottom of the outgoing tide or the bottom of the incoming so not quite the tides I’m looking for. My goal is to sight fish for reds otf in the skinny water but I think i’m about 4 months too early. I’m working the deeper, moving water and oyster beds with popping corks and plastics, of course with little luck. I think I need to be there at for the top half of the tides. any advice is much appreciated

also after quick journey through the recent reports i’ve learned that uploading pictures is still a herculean feat, so I won’t bother



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Got me a fancy pedal drive kayak which has inspired me to post here once again. I’ve been hitting the oyster flats in between ji and folly and have only managed to scrounge up a small trout and a rat red. I’ve only really fished the bottom of the outgoing tide or the bottom of the incoming so not quite the tides I’m looking for. My goal is to sight fish for reds otf in the skinny water but I think i’m about 4 months too early. I’m working the deeper, moving water and oyster beds with popping corks and plastics, of course with little luck. I think I need to be there at for the top half of the tides. any advice is much appreciated

also after quick journey through the recent reports i’ve learned that uploading pictures is still a herculean feat, so I won’t bother



https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJapLk9rt91Jop89mxRU7eg?Originally posted by yakgotstuck


I think its a common misconception that the reds aren't on the marsh flats at certain times of the year. I've caught them on the flats from March to December and I'm confident they're up there in January and February, I just don't go then. It's certainly more active in the fall when the summer temperatures start to dip. That's the magic time when you could see multiple tailing fish at the same time. The day that I consider my best day ever I caught only one fish, but I saw over thirty tails. You'll have those days, but not often. Most times, you'll be happy just to see a handful of tailers or cruisers.

Put the time in on google earth and find flats that you can access with your yak. Sol Legre has flats close to the ramp. Some of them hold fish on the regular and some not so much. Don't be afraid to get out and walk the flats either. You'll learn quickly where you can and can't walk. Short sparse grass is good walking. Tall thick grass is not so good walking and you could wind up up to your knees in pluff mud. Anyone who has walked the flats has done it, and if they say they haven't, then they bluffing or don't fish there. Don't be afraid to get a little dirty, all the best fisherman are.

Go get on the flats before the tide comes in and watch where the water appears first. Mark that down in your brain; the reds will ofter be there first. Reds are both opportunistic and creatures of habit. Look for small little feeder creeks with deeper water access coming into the flats. Reds will use these as highways to get up there and fill their bellies with fiddlers. If you find reds accessing the flat by a certain little creek, chances are very high that they will do the same thing on tomorrow's tide and the next one and the next one.

As for flies, MTH. They are up there eating fiddlers. Your flies should mimic tiny crabs. You'll have success with other flies too, but its always safe to match what they are after. And they don't need a bunch of action either; don't overcomplicate it. When the red's tail is up in the air, that means their head is down in the mud with limited visibility. This is your opportunity to put the fly 5' in front of the fish's path. Leave it there. When the tail goes down, his head comes up and he's looking forward again. Once that happens, give that little fly a "twitch, twitch" and leave it. You'll be glad you did.

Good luck.






"Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality." --Peepod 07-25-2017
googling herculean. brb








even if 23 wrote it, that's good stuff.

couple he mist:
cargo shorts will hold a tallboy in each front pocket. protip for waitin on tide to come in.

when they eat, they'll eat anything in the vicinity. i don't flyfish well cause Im a man. my sons do cause challenging and stuff. small johnsons spoons and doa shrumps have been dependable for me.

marshchiggers were a hotly debaited topic on here circa 2008. I think polyball or one of the octogenarians told me they don't exist. three of us got a nice infestation of em once. they're prolific climbers. look it up. hose off your legs or wipe em down with hand sanitizer or something when you exit the flat. get these once and you won't forget that I tole you this.

go spend time on the same flat. you'll figure out where the ingress egress is.


...even if 23 wrote it, that's good stuff.

couple he mist:
cargo shorts will hold a tallboy in each front pocket. protip for waitin on tide to come in.

when they eat, they'll eat anything in the vicinity. Originally posted by PeaPod




Some good info up there. The only thing I'd add is that you need to learn the Texas rig for flats fishing. That will help you by saving time and giving you the ability to cover more ground.

Now here is my pro tip for you. After you google Texas Rig and figure our what I am talking about and how to rig it, do this...... slide a small barrel swivel over the barb end of the hook before hiding the point in the back of the bait. By doing that when you get caught in the grass (and you will get caught in the grass) the bitter end of your leader is tugging mid-hook on your presentation vs on the eye where the bait will get slid down and run funky.

Nobody likes funky running bait.

I call that the Tennessee Rig.


My guess is Kerry Browning might benefit by using that presentation over those oyster bars on windy days too.


As You Were








...even if 23 wrote it, that's good stuff.

couple he mist:
cargo shorts will hold a tallboy in each front pocket. protip for waitin on tide to come in.

when they eat, they'll eat anything in the vicinity. Originally posted by PeaPod




Some good info up there. The only thing I'd add is that you need to learn the Texas rig for flats fishing. That will help you by saving time and giving you the ability to cover more ground.

Now here is my pro tip for you. After you google Texas Rig and figure our what I am talking about and how to rig it, do this...... slide a small barrel swivel over the barb end of the hook before hiding the point in the back of the bait. By doing that when you get caught in the grass (and you will get caught in the grass) the bitter end of your leader is tugging mid-hook on your presentation vs on the eye where the bait will get slid down and run funky.

Nobody likes funky running bait.

I call that the Tennessee Rig.


My guess is Kerry Browning might benefit by using that presentation over those oyster bars on windy days too.


As You Were

I think I’m following you and if I’m visualizing it correctly, the barrel swivel will get pushed up against the Barb by the bait when trying to pull it through grass or, in my case, on oysters. So the plastic won’t get pulled off or slid down so far as to be in a useless presentation?

I wish you could post a pic of that set up. I’m assuming the barrel swivel will slide out of the way on a “hook set”
Barb on one side of the lip - barrel on the other.

Or, jump on my boat one day.





Originally posted by Edisto Fisher--Staff

KB,

Here is the rig design...

https://m.bassmaster.com/tips/desaros-swivel-trick


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Thanks Dick,now I understand.
Thanks Dick,now I understand.Originally posted by sman


No problem... There's nothing worse than a dangling barrel swivel on a man's rig....bigsmile


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Some great advice above. My experience is that the season for fishing high tide in the grass coincides with bait, starts around when fiddlers come out of hibernation and ends Halloween-2 weeks after once overnight low air temp goes below 50. Not until about now (July 4th) that the finger mullet grow big enough to cast net (assuming 3/8 inch net). That said though see redfish out there from May-July, have not had much luck catching them as compared to Aug-Nov.

As mentioned, seeing them vs catching them very different. They spook real easy so need to be careful in how you walk/paddle around. Have observed them to be passive much more often than aggressive. Very rarely have caught without seeing or hearing them first so if you're not seeing swirls or hearing surface blow ups, move on.

Have found that they primarily feed in limited time window (20-30 mins) relative to water level/top of the tide. Again you'll know because you'll hear and see it. General rule for sight casting is that the closer the water gets to your knees the more you're flying blind, advantage to the fish though wind speed a big factor as well.

Easiest thing you can do is castnet shrimp/finger mullet and fish on a carolina rig. You will snag in grass here and there but pretty easy to work it free and you can fish much higher grass than if try artificials/fly which is more difficult (big learning curve). Would look to fish there an hour before until an hour after peak high tide. Huge advantage of your kayak is you can find the little channels where the water enters the grass and fish there starting around 1/3 of the way through the start of incoming tide, then can turn around and go back 1/3 of the way through the start of outgoing.

Would recommend checking out Red Fish Blue Tails on YouTube, he fishes your area and does a lot of this type of fishing. Also have found following the_darth_wader on Instagram useful for when & how much he's posting fish pics. For the record, don't know either of them, not affiliated in any way and not a fan of social media (use for fishing only).


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Well I guess that'll be okay
Thanks Dick,now I understand.[/quote=Originally posted by sman


Thanks! Completely got it now and absolutely see the benefit. I have found another way to keep bait “ especially z Mann products on. I’ll post a YouTube or description when I’m not recovering from a fish fry! It’s not the drinking but everything that goes into making it successful. GreaT fourth.

I showed Bink that rig back during the Regan days on Dale Hollow Lake one day while fishing the spartina grass. Ole Bink fancied himself a big time bass fisherman and even finished 2nd one time in a Bassmaster tourney back in the spring of 2004 on Lake Eufaula in Alabama. By then he was on his 3rd wife and drunk all the time. I'm surprised he even remembered the Tennessee rig.

The Chatterbait inventor and innovator used to post here on a regular basis. He won't come back either, although I've only asked once. RadDaddy was an awesome resource here before the dark times,,,,it's just too bad he got treated like one of Bink's ex wifes stepchildren or he might have stayed.

Anyway, hope the Tennessee Rig helps

Edited to add---The smaller barrel swivels are mo-bedda than the bigguns


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